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The decline of Digital Point?

 

The decline of Digital Point?

Digital Point is one of the most popular Internet Marketing forums on the internet. With over 230,000 members it has grown rapidly over the past several years. However with such a large forum it is hard to keep everyone happy and within the past year I would say that Digital Points respect and authority over the Internet Marketing field has shrunk. If your not a member at Digital Point you may be wondering why such a large forum seems to be in decline and if you are a member you may already have some sort of idea, either way in this article I shall be explaning my own thoughts about Digital Point Forums and why it is declining.

I joined Digital Point back in November 2007 which may not seem like a very long time when you compare it to Digital Points overall lifespan but it has been enough time for me to realise that Digital Point is not what it used to be.

When I first joined Digital Point I was merely a beginner in the Internet Marketing field, I had little knowledge on any aspect of Internet Marketing but I was ready to read and learn. I was very interested in SEO and the concept of increasing traffic to your website through good search engine rankings and therefore I spent a lot of my time in the SEO section of Digital Point. From the moment I started reading threads within this section it appeared that there were several known experts of the SEO section so obviously I made more effort to read their threads and posts.

After I had spent more time exploring the rather large Internet Marketing forum I discovered the “Proxy Discussion Thread” which has grown over the last year and a half in to a thread which now has over 13,000 replies and 400,000 views an exeptional amount. I quickly became very interested in proxy sites and the well known yet very unrealistic idea of making a decent amount of cash daily with very little effort. With this in mind I set upon creating my first ever website this was to be a proxy site which quickly developed in to a proxy network. Long story short (it isn’t supposed to be my digital point life story) I learnt a lot from Digital Point throughout my first 6 very active months of reading, posting and replying. I had recognised that Digital Point had several visible experts in the sections where I was most active and a lot of the information back then was backed up by several members, it would be well explained and many of the members were exceptionally helpful.

However within the first 6 months of me registering to Digital Point forums I had received several infractions some which I agree with some which I dont. As well as Admins having made some big mistakes in trying to reduce the amount of threads in certain areas of the buy, sell and trade section by introducing the “Below $5 services or products belong in the freebies section” rule. Obviously this would seem a little strange considering the Freebies section is obviously for Freebies not something which you may pay for, however I was mature enough to let this go. Although with the introduction of this new rule my proxy advertising business dried up as fast as you can say “Stupid Fools” from what was making me $400-$500 per month it shrunk to a measely $5-$10 per month. The main annoyance from this was that to be able to get my business back Digital Point Authorities were basically telling me that I had to increase the prices of my services in order to gain my custom back although things would obviously not work this way.

To conclude this section, within the first 6 months of me registering to Digital Point I had realised that although Digital Point was a well established forum the Authorities were still making new rules to handle the rapid growth, the owner of Digital Point seemed to not take much control in their forum, a large amount of “newbies” were registering to the forum, questions would be repeated several times a week and lastly if you ever had a problem or were annoyed with a decision an Authority figure had made it was difficult for you to discuss this with the Authorities or to find out why such a decision was made.

Now I don’t want people to think this article is all about me having a rant as this is not what the article is supposed to be about and to be frank I don’t want to bring down the quality of my blog with an article which may seem like this. The previous couple of paragraphs explain quite common and assumable problems which you may find with a forum which has grown so rapidly as Digital Point has but its definitely the next 6-8 months which has brought on the decline of Digital Point. The previous paragraphs merely explain problems which could of been controlled and eradicated.

After a year or so of me having registered to Digital Point I started to notice that other members were getting annoyed with increasing numbers of newbies asking the same questions, threads which should of been stickied not being, Admins being “power possessed” and perhaps being a little to harsh on people, thread after thread being removed or locked, members trying to take advantage of newbies, scamming, cheating, insulting, general immature behaviour, spamming, the annoying database error and so much more (I could seriously go on for hours). There is so much that is wrong with Digital Point forums that it would take a lot to correct and with out the actual person who owns the forum (Shawn something or other) taking notice and charge of the situation it will keep on declining.

So why do you think Digital Point is declining?

So you may be wondering why I think Digital Point is declining well the previous paragraphs explained briefly some of the issues that Digital Point currently has other than this though I have been taking note of the amount of active members Digital Point has over the past month and I have noticed that it has started to decline.

I started recording the amount of active members in late November and noticed that although the forum had an overall 225,000 members there were only 60,000 members active. Now you maybe thinking well 60,000 members is still a very large amount and I agree but if you take that as a percentage compared to the amount of overall members its almost 33%. Obviously for a forum that has been established for as long as Digital Point has there are going to be the few who lose interest in Internet Marketing and let their account expire and there are going to be others who are stupid and get banned but I wouldn’t expect 66% of those members becoming inactive. So there has to be a problem.

Well in the last 6 weeks I have been analysing the amount of overall members compared to the amount of active members and I have found although the amount of overall members has increased from 225,000 to 239,000 the amount of active members have decreased from 60,600 to 59,500. Although this is only over a 6 week period it is still evidence to show that Digital Point is shrinking. You maybe thinking that its only shrunk by 500 members in the last 6 weeks but if you think about it more you will realise that although 14,000 more people have registering to Digital Point forums they have a growth of -500 members.

Now you maybe wondering well how can this be, whats the cause of this well I think I have a couple of explantions for the lack of growth or well minus growth that Digital Point has been experiencing.

What are the reasons for the minus growth of Digital Point?

The factors that I consider to be influencing the lack of growth in Digital Point are as follows

  1. Members are becoming annoyed and are deleting or allowing their accounts to become inactive (now there are too many reasons they could become annoyed for me to list here (Digital Points famous Database error and slow loading speed)).
  2. Digital Point Authorities (some of which seem to be power crazy) are banning too many people for stupid little nit picky things. Although the Authorities may only be using 7 day bans or 14 day bans the members that are banned may move on to a different forum. Remember its not like the old days where Digital Point was a breed of its own there are hundreds more Internet Marketing forums some which easily live up to Digital Point.
  3. Accounts being suspended pretty similiar to the last point but instead of Authorities banning people they may suspend them instead.
  4. Lastly and it probably doesn’t account for that many account deletions but members forget their details or the forum through real life problems or lack of interest.

There are probably several other factors which also help to cause the decline of Digital Point forums but these are the main factors I can think of. However I think the main reason for the decline of Digital Point is the current heirachy so to speak. Admins seem to have full control currently and although I cannot say this with 100% guarantee I don’t think Digital Point’s owner has much interest over the forum as it stands. This creates a big problem if anyone actually wants to ensure Digital Point does not become just a place full of newbies which it is currently on its way towards.

The problem is internal

It is obvious through the research that I have done that the problem is internal because although 13,000 new members had arrived in the last 6 weeks the forum was still 500 members down from 6 weeks previous. So the Internet is still drawn to Digital Point forums and people are still interested in joining the forum to learn however it seems that the more newbies that arrive the more experienced Internet Marketers leave either through their own choice or being forced.

I think the solution to Digital Point’s problems lies in the Internal Structure of its Authority as well as the structure of the overall forum. They need people controlling each section and they need people in control of reading people’s suggestions and writing feedback on the suggestions not just saying there is nothing they can do.

Where else can you go?

Throughout the last year and a half I have seen a lot of people losing interest in Digital Point forums many through annoyance and anger who have decided to retreat some where else, to smaller less clustered forums. I for one have become less active at Digital Point forums and much more active at the new forum I read and post on quite freqeuntly where I feel more comfortable. Without this turning in to an advertisement for a new forum I would recommend Niche Choppers to anyone who is registered at Digital Point or is interested in Internet Marketing and mainly Affiliate Marketing. By the way the link to Niche Choppers does contain my member referall because I am a part of a current competition but thats nothing to do with why I recommend it or why I have just spent the last hour writing a 2,000 word article on Digital Point.

In conclusion to the article I feel Digital Point has declined some what, however it is definintely not the end for Digital Point. It has so much energy through out the Internet Marketing field still that it continues to pull in new members it has its own gravity so to speak and with this it is able to expand. However with the continuation of problems and situations arising that have not yet been dealt with it is hard to say where Digital Point will be in the future years. As many people who read this blog know, I am a believer that things on the Internet are becoming much more focused and specific and I am not sure if Digital Point fits in to this new wave of niche sites.

I hope you enjoyed this article and I encourage anyone that has read this article to comment and express their own opinion on this topic, whether they are a member of Digital Point or just an avid reader. Thank you and a happy new year.

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  1. Posted by Mochammad Masbuchin January 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    What a long article.
    I’m DPM member and quite agree with you.
    Too many accounts banned, too many rules.
    It’s very annoying to run business there.

  2. Posted by Geoserv January 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    STUMBLED!

    I registered an account with DP a long time ago, never really posted. A friend of mine got banned and she pointed out numerous issues with the forums and a list people who had been banned.

    I soon realized I wanted nothing to do with DP.

    Looks like I was right.

    If I can plug a forum I use it would http://www.dnlodge.com, it has become my home in place of DP.

  3. Posted by Ryan @ Linkbuildr January 3rd, 2009 at 1:18 am

    Glad to hear someone else complaining about the forum. I’ve been there a while and it is full of morons to be blunt. Almost every section you’ll see the same posts being reposted over and over and over and over…oh god.

    A lot of the other forums as well are already feeling the same effects like seochat and v7n. Places like WickedFire and HighRankings have done an excellent job in keeping some order.

  4. Posted by jupapa January 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 am

    Really excellent article. I agree with you.

    I sent some emails questions to webmaster at digitalpoint dot com and never received the answer

  5. Posted by Norb January 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Cheers for plug to http://forums.NicheChoppers.com :P

    I’ll agree with Ryan about WickedFire and a few others, you have to keep a heavy filter on your palace or it gets infested with termites who eat away at it until there’s nothing left…

    Having said that I’ll also agree with the first part of your post - the initial phase at DP for total newbs can be a gold mine, once you do mine it though, you can’t help but notice that it’s a haven and safe-house for illiterate bastards who plague it with PM me for offer/what is adcents - is it like a softwarez or iz it ebook?/My check have no ariveded, help?/is CB a scam?/How much moniez did you makeh today?/Wher duz my link suppose to go on?/I found system dat workz for real, click my sig…

    … The even better ones
    ** 10,000 real human traffic $8
    ** I make 19K/monthz - for $9 now you can two - only 3 raview copyz
    ** 4000000 backlinks $2
    ** Make moniez Grate offer >>click aff link!

    Teh epix onez
    ** When do i get paid?!?! - I make already $23.59 - SCAM!!
    ** I have something that will make you rich - buy my sh!t in my link…
    ** I can help make you first sell - I will buy da product for you (refund scam)
    ** Dear DP I am Sir William Dekahomirazid, I have important urgent letter for you today, in great confidence and of most honor. God bless we halp each other today. Man (john) recently die for plane crash in autpadujadudala , for proof of click here. John has no next of kin and remains $19,000,000 (nineteen millionz) in bank his. I propose and must move this moniez to your country, and has referal fram you with close muchual frend. I would like to offer 40% of this money to you in exchange for your god willing help in transaction. If god is on your side please email for next step in confidence to ajibawordin @ scam.com … …

    Oh wait right, that’s the emails I get not the DP list - but it’s … pretty much … the same shit in plenty of twisted ways by even worse and more transparent schmucks than those that post the crap above. The even funnier thing is that there are even newer, dumber newbs that actually fall for it, and watching some of the threads unravel with a domino effect of stupidity and bad unglish is fairly amusing in their defense.

    I’m a DP hater but still post there along with over a dozen other wonky forums but mate, you’re right::-> DP takes the dis-functional cake for 08 and probably onwards.

    N.

  6. Posted by Jeet January 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Some excellent point in this post. I agree that DP has been going down but they can still put it together :-)

    Will try to join Nice Choppers and see if the community is good.

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  8. Posted by Mr.Bill January 4th, 2009 at 5:45 am

    I personally would recommend anyone serious about being a webmaster or has good knowledge of what it takes to be one to visit http://www.netbuilders.org which has got some great webmasters there. Some of these are ones that fell victim to the DP bans and others that have just made a new home. This really it a great community, it’s not even a month has is growing at a very nice rate. Stop in a see for yourself.

  9. Posted by humanedited January 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    I’m not concerned about the banning and strict rules (in fact, I don’t think the rules are bad and I think there should be more banning). DP has become a cesspool of crappy affiliate links and get rich quick ebooks. If good content is king, DP is pure crap.

  10. Posted by Alan Williams January 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    This was a very informative article. I will read your blog often.

  11. Posted by Will January 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Thank you everyone for your comments.

    @ Moch I am glad you agree with me I definitely do think they are a little too power possessed currently.

    @ Geo no problems, yeah I think more and more people are leaving DP forum these days either that or being banned it seems to be filled with newbiews to the Internet Marketing field.

    @ Ryan I agree there the total repetition of threads does get on my nerves too. If admins were only to make threads stickies people would not do this. I ve seen so many excellent threads be pushed to the bottom of the pile its annoying.

    @ Jupapa, sorry you never received a reply but that sounds about right for DP.

    @ Norb an excellent comment very amusing made me chuckle quite a lot. I have to agree that once you learn the basics of Internet Marketing you soon realise DP is full of as you said…

    @ Jeet yes they certainly can but in all honesty I really doubt they will. Its sad really.

    @ Mr Bill, net builders is a good forum and people moving to Netbuilders from digital point is just another affect of DP moving down in the world.

    @ Humanedited love your comment :D

    @Alan, thank you for your comment very positive much appreciated.

    Thank you again everyone for your comments. I do try to reply to every comment I get thanks again.

  12. Posted by thedude January 13th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    I used to be a frequent poster at DP. I have all rep bars, plenty of iTrader, blah blah blah.

    The real reason why DP has gone to crap is because of the PEOPLE. That’s right, the people and not what kind of links are in ones signature.

    Many of the noobs are coming in from India, China, etc. It’s an English site and the language gap might contribute to it. But there is too much thread hijacking, new threads asking stupid questions, etc. Many of these people are not native English speakers, and have no idea wtf respect is. People need to be spanked for not using the search option in the forum. And if they hijack someone elses thread, give them a month of no posting to think about.

    Also, it’s a cluster f*ck in there. I know people that received an infraction, and weeks later got banned for the same exact post! Even the mods have no coordinated idea of what discipline they are handing down.

    In short, the quality of people at DP has dropped significantly. And because of that the real quality posters are leaving or are less active on the forum like myself.

  13. Posted by used 4x4 pickup trucks January 22nd, 2009 at 8:17 am

    i was also fed up of DP banning too many people for stupid things or silly reasons … that makes those users go to some other forum till then …

  14. Posted by Tom January 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Mr.Bill is right on; NetBuilders is what DP should have been all along.

  15. Posted by anothrdisdpusr January 30th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    I was looking for the dp disgruntled, thinking I was the only one to be effected, and am glad to see someone else is trying to remain calm while dp is playing with others lives.

    I was banned for duplicate content, in this case that means two friends working at the same place (ip?) and having the same idea to promote our business site, must have placed that same link in the signature. noobs are very trusting at times, and although i’m not new to forums, most at least give you reasonable explanations, or at least a chance to amend any light wrong doing.

    It seems like dp is playing god with others-and may actually enjoy it. Reaching anyone there for some sort of explanation is nearly impossible. I rei’d and commented, seeking some sort of help there and, after explaining the same thing had my post quickly shuffled under the door mat and deleted.

    I will definitely try the other forums and hope that someone can get the dust out of their nose long enough to see that dp is a sinking ship.

    dp is now more a place for reference, I would advise anyone going there to be careful-not only from the scammers but also from the admins.

    Thanks for letting me vent.

  16. Posted by Will.Spencer February 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    All of these bans have made DP impossible to use. You can do a deal in the B/S/T forums because the person you’re trying to deal with is likely to be banned before you can finish negotiations, pay, and receive what you’ve paid for.

    Some of the forums best members have left DP to create a much friendlier webmaster forum at NetBuilders.org.

    NetBuilders.org is a much betteer user experience than the DP forums ever were. There is no conflict between the forum members and the moderators. Instead of issuing infractions and banning forum members, the moderators at NetBuilders use a much more simple strategy — talking to the forum members.

    Instead of wasting more of your precious time at a forum that obviously doesn’t deserve you, why not join a webmaster forum that actually wants you as a member?

  17. Posted by thanks March 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am

    yay people telling us to go to other, smaller, less crappier forums. Maybe that could be the title of this post and many more like it. There is a structure and rapid growth problem with DP but very few reasonable alternate options. Maybe forums are dying and the day of the blogs is coming. The ‘old’ intelligent members leaving DP will start their own blogs and others will do the same, posting comments and backlinks almost as if it were a forum.

  18. Posted by DigitalPont Sucks May 21st, 2009 at 3:41 am

    What people have posted here about the corruption and banning at digitalpoint is true. If you value your time and money, don’t invest it in an account there or trust anyone who seems to have authority there. Let’s not even get into all the illegally pirated warez that are regularly traded there and which are open and notorious. Let’s talk about even legitimate attempts to use the site. I had an account for a long time that had a login problem. I sent 15 emails to the webmaster due to an email confirmation problem (email address was slightly wrong and couldn’t be confirmed.) I never one received a reply and couldn’t post on the board to notify anyone since that is unapproved. I created a new account but DP has a registration problem - you MUST check the “keep me logged in box” or else you’ll get booted out. I didn’t realize this and simply created a new account quickly again. I used it for several weeks, generated dozens of posts, and then one day after I politely asked a forum moderator to see why I couldn’t post to the buy-sell forum since no webmaster was answering my emails… I got banned for a year for creating a “duplicate account.” No email to me, no question, nada. Weeks of time lost yet again. And there is nobody you can speak to. Those who are in charge and made money hawking their warez or offshore hosting act like the bunch of spoiled jerks that they are. It’s a “privilege” to be there and screw you if something happens. Heaven forbid it is their own fault - such as the registration and login issues they still can’t solve.

  19. Posted by Guttu May 30th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    It suxx really. I reported a member who cheated me and expected DP to take action against him. At least remove the negative itrader he gave me when I gave him one for his act. But nothing.. That suxx. DP wants scammers and frauds in forum

  20. Posted by Ash June 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    DP has really got messed since I joined, three years ago.

    It was the best forum out there but now it has been beaten my many forums.

    I now have chosen to be part of smaller upcoming communities which have experts in various fields on board.
    One such forum is http://www.WebmasterPeers.com. It is just a month old I think and is doing superbly well.
    The staff too is very nice and the content there is very good.

    Ad for DP, I really think Shawn should do something.

  21. Posted by basscleff July 13th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    I had the same exact problem. I was banned for spamming a keyword lists post that everyone loved and were giving praise. Some DP admin or mod deemed it spam, and banned me for 6 months. I never got a response to any of my emails in appeal.

    Horrible support from DP - and what’s worse if you complain and offer suggestions publicly in the forum, nothing is ever done.

    I wish there were a better place to do online business etc.

  22. Posted by Balaji | GuideToTech.com July 13th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Hmmm i was a great lover of DP at a time but i am hating it completely since my account with 1000+ posts and 20+ iTrader got Banned there without stating any reason…

  23. Posted by Mikeesq December 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    I agree with the above comments. I just asked for my account to be deleted as
    I was brow beaten over a comment about free speech in America pertaining to complaining about unfiar and biased DMOZ editors who refuse to list quality sites. Many are aware that DMOZ is crooked. I was accused of being a racist and cry baby over my free speech in America comment. When I shot back and defended myself I got an infraction. There seems to be those who can attack you and if you argue back you get the infraction. How anyone can take a comment like Free Speech as a racist comment is beyond me. This person was looking for a fight and when I shot back I got the infraction, Sorry to repeat myself.
    I have found that many forums are just a bunch of argumentive people wanting to tell new comers with legitimate questions everything they are doing wrong instead of helping. Stay away from forums.

  24. Posted by Mikeesq December 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Sorry for they typos…don’t have my glasses

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